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TRUCK LINKS including vendor sites for old parts, custom parts, and tools as well as sites for classic car and truck organizations STORE Operating in association with Amazon.com, books, recordings and tools can be purchased. PLANNING for the restoration including project schedule and cost estimates. WORK-IN-PROGRESS is the restoration of parts of BillyBob that I can accomplish without a garage. PRE-RESTORATION includes log entries of minor repairs and and adventures between time of purchase and the time when I started restoration, a piece at a time. JR'S KORNER JR's Korner is the history of BillyBob before I got him authored by my brother, Wm. C. Kephart. BILLYBOB MAINTENANCE Ever changing detailing, oil change, lube, etc. maintenance routines specifically developed for BillyBob, including required tools, materials and procedures. |
15. WHOA! Baby: Wheel and Master Cylinders
Bled this wheel using a Mityvac bleeding system I bought over a year ago. Basically, you connect it to the bleeder valve and use vacuum to "pull" the fluid into the mityvac's reservoir jar until the fluid is free of bubbles. Topped off the master cylinder, put the wheel back on, lowered BillyBob, crossed my fingers and went for a test ride around the block. Hurrah! No pull to the passenger side, no pumping the pedal, no screeching like a randy bull elephant. Life is good. January 20th 2002 The ride home indicated that things wern't quite as hunky-dory as I first thought. When I stopped at stop lights, I could see slight vapors wafting out of the wheelwell and I could smell something cooking off. I assumed it was the brake cleaner on the shoes. When I got home, that particular wheel was warm to the touch, but not hot. Both vapors and odors disappeared in the next day or two.
After my brother, JR, read this log entry, he sent me the following e-mail: Krash: The rear wheel cylinders as well as the shoes and seals were replaced after my harrowing run away trip down a steep hill while pulling a backhoe. I was standing on the brake pedal with both feet, hands clenched to the steering wheel and ass off the seat and he wasn't stopping! Pretty much overheated everything in both rear wheels. This adventure will be another chapter if I ever get the writing bug again. Point is, my mechanic at the time was pretty resourceful; those rear brake cylinders could be from anything. Regards, Bill
March 3rd 2002 After weeks of soaking the Master Cylinder bolts with Kroil penetrating oil, I was able to break them loose today with a 5/8" impact wrench socket on an eighteen inch breaker bar. One at a time, I pulled them out and measured them. They are 3-1/2" long (not including hex head) with only 5/8" of the shaft threaded. The threads are 7/16" x 20. I chased the threads with a die, applied a bit of threadlocker blue and replaced them. Now I have enuf info to order new 7/16-20 x 3-1/2 Armor Coat Hex Head Cap Screws, Grade 8 from McMaster-Carr.
It's a rain day here, despite what the weatherman said it would be. The new master cylinder, clevis, pin, jamb nut and junction block has been prepped and masked for painting with Eastwood's Diamond Clear paint for bare metal and I'll spray it if a hole opens in the rain clouds.
First things first. Put Billybob's front end on on jackstands. If the wheel cylinder bleeder valves are frozen, I won't be able to finish this job and drive home at the end of the day. It's been several years since my Chevron mechanic, Gary Morris, replaced the brake lines (Pre-Restoration Log entry "What have they done to my garage, Ma?") but, I remember him saying he put anti-seize compound on the bleeder valve threads when he did that job so, I might get lucky. Following the advice of Frank McMullen, a Stovebolt Forums member, I found a good six point socket to use on the bleeder valves. It came from my computer tools kit and the metric socket fit a little more snugly than the 3/8" SAE socket. Kroil penetrating oil and a few tries got all four bleeders loose without breaking anything. We're off to a good start. Got the old master cylinder out with some problems. If I was still a drinkin' man, I would call it a "three Budweiser degree of difficulty" job. The smaller brake line fitting had been rounded off a bit during installation into the junction block fitting and I had to use some careful heat to loosen it up as well as vice-grips. It's still servicable for this go round but it should be replaced the next time this fitting is disturbed. The clevis pin was blocked by the clutch linkage and I started getting sloppy trying different solutions without thinking 'til Murphy reminded me to slow down with a few cuts and bruises. Finally the light bulb in my head went on and I wedged the clutch pedal down to the floor with a two-by-four against the seat base which gave me enuf clearance to get the clevis pin out. Also discovered that the master cylinder bolts do not screw into the mounting bracket but into a bar behind the bracket which fell out when I got both bolts out.
April 28th 2002 By the time I was finished bleeding the brakes yesterday, I was spent. Dehydration, mostly. It could have gone easier. The manual states to start with the wheel farthest away from the master cylinder. For BillyBob, the sequence is driver rear, passenger rear, passenger front and driver front. The system should be level, so the truck was put back on the ground. I had trouble at first getting any fluid thru the bleeder valves with the Mityvac pump. I made a decision to replace the bleeder valves with new ones from the new wheel cylinders I had in inventory. All bleeder valves were installed with anti-seize compound on the threads. That improved the flow a bit but I suppose I introduced more air into the system. When I finished all four wheels, I applied the brake and was disheartened to feel the pedal go straight to the floor! Pumped it up a little and checked for leaks . . . Good! No leaks. Re-bled the rear wheels and tried again. This time I got a solid pedal. The pedal stayed firm during the ride home and this morning on the way back to the Krash Lab. Used to get a loud thunk under the floorboards when I took my foot off the brake. Now I get a firm, quiet click. I think I'm home free. NOTE OF CAUTION: Two visitors to this page cautioned against the use of sealants and compounds coming into contact with the brake fluid. Nate from the old-chevy-truck maillist, a very knowledgable fellow whose advice I respect, had this to say: don't ever get _any_ penetrant nor sealant or anything else not brake fluid in contact with any part that touches the brake fluid or you'll have a hydraulic brake failure sooner than later . I personally don't use anti-seize on the bleeder screws for just this reason . you could use brake assembly lube instead . Johnny F. added the following comment in the VCCA forum: My only hesitation would be the use of "Never Sieze", "penetrating oils", or "thread lockers" on any of the brake parts. I have been very hesitant to use anything that may have a "petroleum base oils" near the DOT 3-4 brake fluids, as I have always been told (especially by aircraft/powerplant mechanics) of the risk of contaminating the brake fluids. I have religiously used "lubriplate" brake products to lube the brake parts. How do you know that the thread locking and lubrication products you use on the brake parts are compatable with the DOT 3 fluids? I didn't mention it above but, One of the recommended uses for the Permatex High Temp Sealant is brake systems and I was careful not to get it or anti-seize compound on the leading threads of the connections. Threadlocker was not used anywhere near the brake fluid connectors. I probably will cross my fingers at this point and not use penetrating oil or anti-seize on the bleeders or any other hydraulic system connections in the future. OK. That's it for now. I still have to finish rebuilding the wheels with new springs, adjusters and wheel cylinders but I'm glad to have the master cylinder done. I have several other operations underway to report on also including more frame work, interior work and electrical and underhood odds 'n ends. BillyBob's resurection is going well thirty months into what has turned into a ten year rolling rebuild. BillyBob is reliable enuf now to be a daily driver and this year, for the first time, I've been driving him more than my Jeep.
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